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01/16/2008 10:30 AM Senate JUDICIARY


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10:53:39 AM Start
10:53:39 AM Crime Summit Overview
11:01:53 AM Steve Aos, Washington State Institute for Public Policy
01:46:00 PM Rob Heun, Chief, Anchorage Police Department
02:26:26 PM Dan Hoffman, Chief, Fairbanks Police Department
02:45:36 PM Angella Long, Chief, Wasilla Police Department
03:31:37 PM Adrienne Bachman, Anchorage District Attorney's Office
04:19:05 PM Quinlan Steiner, Director, Alaska Public Defender's Agency,
04:20:03 PM Josh Fink, Director, Office of Public Advocacy
04:42:12 PM Tom Begich, Project Director, Reclaiming Futures
05:04:01 PM Adjourn
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Senate Judiciary Committee Crime Summit
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 16, 2008                                                                                        
                           10:53 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hollis French, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Crime Summit                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEVE AOS, Assistant Director                                                                                                   
Washington Institute for Public Policy                                                                                          
Olympia, WA                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Promoted evidence-based policies for the                                                                  
criminal justice system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
WALT MONEGAN, Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Discussed crime in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL AUDIE HOLLOWAY, Director                                                                                                
Alaska State Troopers (AST)                                                                                                     
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Discussed  challenges  the  troopers  face,                                                             
including data sharing and staff recruitment and retention.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROB HEUN, Chief                                                                                                                 
Anchorage Police Department (APD)                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT: Discussed  the  crime  issues in  Anchorage,                                                             
including  the  big  problems  of   finding  secure  shelter  and                                                               
treatment facilities for the homeless public inebriates.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DAN HOFFMAN, Chief                                                                                                              
Fairbanks Police Department                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed crime issues in  Fairbanks and the                                                             
difficulties with being a hub on a road system.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ANGELLA LONG, Chief                                                                                                             
Wasilla Police Department                                                                                                       
Wasilla, AK                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed crime  issues in Wasilla  and made                                                             
recommendations to the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADRIENNE BACHMAN, District Attorney                                                                                             
Department of Law (DOL)                                                                                                         
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Described  the   challenges  for  the  DOL,                                                             
including retention and recruitment of staff.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
QUINLAN STEINER, Director                                                                                                       
Public Defender Agency                                                                                                          
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Described the  challenges for  Alaska public                                                             
defenders including efficient sharing of discovery information.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOSH FINK, Director                                                                                                             
Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                                       
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Discuss challenges  that result in delays and                                                             
additional hearings.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TOM BEGICH, Member                                                                                                              
Anti-Gang and Youth Violence Policy Team                                                                                        
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Described efforts to curb Anchorage crime.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLIS   FRENCH  called  the  Senate   Judiciary  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at  10:53:39 AM. Present at  the call                                                             
to  order  were  Senators   French,  Wielechowski,  and  McGuire.                                                               
Senator Therriault joined the meeting soon thereafter.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                     ^CRIME SUMMIT OVERVIEW                                                                                 
10:53:39 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  FRENCH  said  crime  in  Alaska  is  increasing,  and  the                                                               
committee is  meeting to find  out from crime  professionals what                                                               
can be done.  According to a recent  legislative research report,                                                               
felony assaults rose over 30 percent  from 2000 to 2005, rape and                                                               
attempted rape rose 11 percent  during that time, which is nearly                                                               
double the population growth rate.  The increase in rape comes on                                                               
top of  an abysmally  high rate  of sexual  assault. He  asked if                                                               
tougher laws,  more police officers,  more prosecutors,  or fewer                                                               
defense attorneys is the answer, or  if it is more indirect, like                                                               
putting more resources into alcohol counseling.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said  the hearings will focus on what  is going well                                                               
and where there's  a need to improve. He has  asked the witnesses                                                               
to report  on the operation  of their organizations and  also how                                                               
to  make improvements.  The  committee  will consider  recidivism                                                               
rates,  juvenile  crime  rates,  and whether  more  prisons  will                                                               
combat rising crime rates. Since  2001 the corrections budget has                                                               
increased $48  million. A new  high school costs $50  million. An                                                               
increase in  the corrections  budget could  mean that  every year                                                               
there will  be a high  school that  won't be built.  The governor                                                               
said in  her State of  the State speech  that, "He who  opens the                                                               
door on  a school,  closes the door  on a  prison." Unfortunately                                                               
the opposite may be true as  well because there are limited funds                                                               
for building  schools. The committee will  explore the trade-offs                                                               
of each criminal justice decision made.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:56:17 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  said  he   thought  the  summit  was  long                                                               
overdue. What  triggered this  issue for  him was  the recidivism                                                               
study that  came out  last year  that showed  that two  thirds of                                                               
those  who  are released  from  prison  are re-arrested  and  re-                                                               
incarcerated within five years.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:57:13 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  FRENCH  announced  the  first  guest  from  the  State  of                                                               
Washington, Mr. Steven Aos, and described his qualifications.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  Evidence-Based Policy Options to Reduce Prison Construction,                                                              
            Criminal Justice Costs, and Crime Rates                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
10:58:39 AM                                                                                                                   
^STEVE AOS, Washington State Institute for Public Policy                                                                        
STEVE  AOS, Assistant  Director, Washington  State Institute  for                                                               
Public Policy,  said the institute  is an applied  research group                                                               
with the  Washington State legislature.  He will talk  about what                                                               
his legislature  asked the institute  to do  and how it  has used                                                               
that information to answer many  of the questions raised by Chair                                                               
French in  his opening remarks.  He said Washington is  trying to                                                               
reform  its adult  and juvenile  criminal  justice system,  which                                                               
includes prevention and anything that  can affect the crime rate.                                                               
The institute was  asked to take an economic approach  and see if                                                               
evidence exists to lower crime at  less cost to taxpayers. It's a                                                               
bit unusual to have an  economic analysis of the criminal justice                                                               
system, he said, but the approach has been used in other areas.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said the institute  is a wholly-owned subsidiary, created                                                               
as the  research arm of the  legislature in 1983. It  is governed                                                               
by a Board of  Directors of 16 members, "10 of  whom are from the                                                               
legislative  branch of  government --  8 members  equally divided                                                               
between the House  and Senate and the 'R's and  the 'D's, so it's                                                               
a non-partisan group."  He said there are 2  members appointed by                                                               
the governor. All  of the assignments come  from the legislature.                                                               
"We  don't chase  federal  dollars or  do  any outside  research.                                                               
We're not  staffed with  tenured professors  at a  university. We                                                               
just work for  the legislature and they carry  out assignments at                                                               
its request." He showed a diagram of the Washington capitol.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:01:53 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR THERRIAULT joined the meeting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR McGUIRE  asked if there  are public members on  the board                                                               
and where their mission and assignments come from.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said there are no  public members on the board; there are                                                               
8 legislators and  2 non-partisan staff directors  from the House                                                               
and the  Senate. The governor's  budget director and the  head of                                                               
the social and health services agency  are on it, and the other 4                                                               
members  are   the  presidents  or   provosts  from   the  public                                                               
universities  and  colleges of  Washington.  They  hire staff  to                                                               
carry out the projects.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:04:03 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  AOS   said  board   assignments  come   through  legislation                                                               
accompanied by a  fiscal note. The due dates  for the assignments                                                               
are in law. He will discuss  the institute's 2006 report and what                                                               
the 2007 legislature did with that  information. He said he is an                                                               
economist, so the presentation will  reflect that. The message is                                                               
what your  mother told you:  if you save  a little bit  of money,                                                               
over time  the money will grow  because of the magic  of compound                                                               
interest. "If you  do little things, over time they  can make big                                                               
aggregate effects."  Small gains should  be the approach  for the                                                               
criminal justice system  too. "All the interventions we  can do …                                                               
prison, police, different  kinds of programs - they  tend to have                                                               
small individual  effects on the  crime rate." But  overtime, the                                                               
small interventions may forestall the building of a prison.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:05:59 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR ELLIS joined the meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS, referring  to  a visual,  described  homicide rates  in                                                               
Washington  from 1908  through the  1950s, when  it declined.  It                                                               
then rose  back up  in the  1970s and 1980s,  and since  then the                                                               
murder  rate  has declined.  Washington's  murder  rate today  is                                                               
among  the  lowest  they've  had. The  national  rate  follows  a                                                               
similar trend, although Washington's is a little lower.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS  showed incarceration  rates  in  Washington, using  the                                                               
number  of people  on any  given  day that  are locked  up "as  a                                                               
percent of the  population - in this case I've  chosen the number                                                               
per 1,000 18  to 49-year-olds in Washington." Since  1930, in the                                                               
United States  and in  Washington, there was  a constant  rate of                                                               
incarceration: 2  people per 1,000  in that age range.  It stayed                                                               
at that  rate for decades,  he said.  The rate rose  about 5-fold                                                               
nationally  and  about 3-fold  in  Washington  in the  period  of                                                               
record. He showed  a forecast of continued  prison expansion from                                                               
December 2006.  The state  wants to  reverse that  in a  way that                                                               
makes economic sense and also keeps crime rates down.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said overall  crime rates in  Washington are  lower than                                                               
they were  in 1980.  A visitor  to Seattle  has about  27 percent                                                               
less chance of being a victim  of a violent or felony crime. This                                                               
is also  true across the  country. The bad  news is the  state is                                                               
spending a  lot of money on  the criminal justice system.  He has                                                               
plotted how  much taxpayers spend  in the system  including funds                                                               
for  police,  criminal  courts,  prosecutors,  public  defenders,                                                               
juvenile  courts, adult  courts, judge  and bailiff  costs, court                                                               
processing,  and  local  and state  sanctions.  He  divided  that                                                               
dollar amount by the number of  households and came up with about                                                               
$1,100 per household  in today's dollars. In 1980  the amount was                                                               
$589.  That's nearly  a 100  percent increase  in spending,  "and                                                               
crime rates are  down." Those dollars have  bought resources that                                                               
have helped drive  down the crime rate. Part of  the reduction in                                                               
crime rates is that aging baby  boomers are less likely to commit                                                               
crimes now than when they were younger.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:14:13 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR THERRIAULT asked if some  of that money is spent "locking                                                               
up the bad guys."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:14:31 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  AOS  responded that  Washington  has  spent money  on  three                                                               
resources: additional  prison beds per population  and additional                                                               
police  per capita,  both of  which  can lower  crime rates.  The                                                               
third is  programs that  will cost  money but  be cheaper  in the                                                               
long run, and  "help lower the crime rate as  much as those other                                                               
resources."  He  suggested  finding   the  correct  portfolio  of                                                               
resources that will  save money and still keep  crime rates down.                                                               
The  Washington  legislature  shifted  a  lot  of  money  between                                                               
programs in 2007 that gave  a fundamentally different look at the                                                               
justice system.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:16:20 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR DYSON joined the meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said the  Washington Legislature had  just funded  a new                                                               
prison, but it  considered the possibility that there  might be a                                                               
better  way.  It instructed  the  institute  to study  economical                                                               
options  to  stabilize  future prison  populations;  to  look  at                                                               
evidence-based treatment in the  adult, juvenile, and preventions                                                               
systems; and  to look at  sentencing alternatives.  The institute                                                               
made forecasts based on the changes.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said  the institute reviewed what works  and what doesn't                                                               
work  to reduce  crime, looking  at all  the rigorous  real-world                                                               
evaluations  of adult  and  juvenile  corrections and  prevention                                                               
programs  -- anything  that has  demonstrably  reduced crime.  It                                                               
threw out  a lot of  studies that  didn't have good  evidence. It                                                               
ended up with  571 studies from the state  and elsewhere, looking                                                               
at  programs  like  drug courts,  juvenile  programs,  and  early                                                               
childhood  education. The  institute looked  at the  economics of                                                               
those  programs  and  the  benefits   of  fewer  murders,  sexual                                                               
assaults, and other  crimes. National numbers were used  to put a                                                               
value on the savings associated with those crimes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS  said the  institute  used  the portfolio  approach  and                                                               
identified  where  Washington  was  spending its  money  now.  He                                                               
grouped the  programs into three  categories: prisons  and jails;                                                               
police;  and programs  such as  drug  treatment, early  childhood                                                               
education, and  high school graduation. Good  evidence now exists                                                               
that if  you can get kids  to graduate from high  school, they're                                                               
less likely to  be involved in the criminal  justice system. From                                                               
assessing  the  571  studies,  it  was  found  that  all  can  be                                                               
effective  when  used  correctly.  Prison  can  be  effective  in                                                               
reducing  crime,  as  can programs  and  policing.  There's  also                                                               
evidence that  shows that  all three  can be  ineffective. Prison                                                               
needs to  be used  for the  right kind of  offenders in  order to                                                               
affect the crime rate.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR AOS  pointed out that  what people  do in their  private lives                                                               
affects the  crime rate more  than what  they do in  their public                                                               
lives,  including  how  children  are  raised.  But  he  is  only                                                               
addressing  "those  public policy  levers  that  we can  pull  in                                                               
Olympia or  in Juneau." He said  he would talk about  prisons and                                                               
would not  focus on  the police because  the legislature  did not                                                               
ask the institute to review that,  since it is a local government                                                               
operation.  Policing  is  an important  and  expensive  resource.                                                               
There is  evidence that it  is effective.  If more police  are on                                                               
the street, crime  rates go down for serious  property crime, but                                                               
less so  for violent crimes.  He hopes that the  next legislature                                                               
will ask for that information.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:23:55 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. AOS said  prisons are the main resource used  to fight crime,                                                               
especially regarding  the increase  in budget  dollars, so  it is                                                               
important to know if prison use  affects crime rates. He showed a                                                               
graph (page  10) of the rates  of crimes that citizens  report to                                                               
police and  that police report  to the  FBI, called Part  I crime                                                               
rates, against incarceration rates.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked why he didn't include drug crimes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:25:13 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  AOS said  that they're  not reported  from crime  victims to                                                               
police.  Reported crimes  are  felony,  property, larceny,  motor                                                               
vehicle theft, aggravated assault,  robbery, sex crimes, rape and                                                               
murder. Those  are the ones that  get reported and those  are the                                                               
ones with data.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH  asked  if  he  thinks  the  information  would  be                                                               
different if drug crimes were included.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:25:59 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. AOS said,  "In the models that I run,  there is some evidence                                                               
that you could  affect the drug crime rate with  certain kinds of                                                               
incarceration rates, but it's less clear  there than it is on the                                                               
serious  felony property  crimes  and violent  crimes." There  is                                                               
evidence that  if drug offenders are  put in prison it  will have                                                               
differential  effects on  violent and  property crime.  Criminals                                                               
specialize  just   like  everyone   else.  If   they're  property                                                               
offenders  and they  get  out  and recidivate  they  may do  some                                                               
violent  crimes  but it's  more  likely  they'll commit  property                                                               
crimes. Violent  criminals tend  to be  the most  anti-social, so                                                               
they might  do all  kinds of  crimes. Violent  aggravated assault                                                               
offenders  tend  to do  most  offenses.  Sex offenders  have  low                                                               
recidivism rates  but will  usually commit  more sex  offenses if                                                               
they recidivate.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said if prison doesn't  work there would be  a flat line                                                               
in his graph,  and if it works completely it  would be a vertical                                                               
line. The truth is somewhere in  the middle. In 1980 there was an                                                               
incarceration rate of  2 people per 1,000 and the  crime rate was                                                               
70   per   1,000.  The   legislature   began   to  increase   the                                                               
incarceration  rate up  through  1984, and  the  crime rate  went                                                               
down.  Sentencing-reform  legislation  caused  the  incarceration                                                               
rate to  drop for a  few years, and the  crime rate went  back up                                                               
briefly. Since  then, incarceration  has increased and  the crime                                                               
rate  has  gone   down.  The  model  is   adjusted  for  changing                                                               
demographics,   the  economy,   the  police   force,  and   other                                                               
variables.  Generally  what they  found  was  that a  10  percent                                                               
change in incarceration creates a 2  to 4 percent change in crime                                                               
rate. That  was Washington's finding,  and it also holds  true of                                                               
national studies. It varies depending on the kind of offender.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS  said one  can  lower  the  crime  rate by  raising  the                                                               
incarceration  rate,  but there  is  a  curve  in the  line  that                                                               
indicates diminishing  returns. As incarceration rates  rise, the                                                               
number of crimes avoided declines.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:30:16 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  FRENCH surmised  that "crimes  avoided" means  crimes that                                                               
didn't happen  that were predicted  to happen had the  person not                                                               
been incarcerated.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said  yes -- having one more person  locked up instead of                                                               
being outside.  He said  he was  referring to  property, larceny,                                                               
and violent crimes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:30:37 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked if the  data is adjusted for  a growing                                                               
population.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said the data  is adjusted for all measurable demographic                                                               
and economic changes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked if he  is referring to one  more prison                                                               
bed per 1,000 people.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS responded  yes,  and  that is  a  "lever"  that you  can                                                               
control - how many  beds you put in. By building  one more bed in                                                               
the  1980s, when  crime was  increasing  greater than  population                                                               
growth, Washington  was avoiding about  50 or 60 crimes.  Not all                                                               
are serious  violent crimes.  However, diminishing  returns means                                                               
that when you do more and  more of anything, you get less return.                                                               
He gave the  example of Starbucks stores; they have  19 stores in                                                               
Olympia and that is the limit.  The last store won't make as much                                                               
as the first ones did.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:33:23 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  what he  attributes the  diminishing                                                               
returns to.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said there are  only so many  really bad criminals  in a                                                               
given population.  If incarceration  rates are  increased, people                                                               
who commit fewer crimes will  be incarcerated. In Washington, the                                                               
probability of a burglar getting caught  is 1 in 20. People doing                                                               
20 burglaries a  year will likely get caught, but  not if they do                                                               
one.  So  by  putting  more burglars  in  jail,  more  infrequent                                                               
burglars get targeted.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:35:34 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR FRENCH said a state needs to  know where it is on the graph                                                               
to know whether to build new prisons or not.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said his last graph  represented total crime, and then he                                                               
broke  it out  according  to incarceration  of violent  offender,                                                               
property offender,  and drug offender.  In Washington,  there are                                                               
too  many  drug offenders  in  prison.  Crimes are  avoided  when                                                               
they're put  in prison,  but we're spending  too much  to justify                                                               
that,  especially since  there are  alternatives  that make  more                                                               
sense. We have  the right number of property  offenders in prison                                                               
- the benefit  to cost ratio is about right.  There aren't enough                                                               
violent  offenders in  prison. This  information can  be used  to                                                               
adjust sentencing policies.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:37:06 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked what his  take was on what happened in                                                               
society to make crime go up in 1960 and down in 1990.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:37:35 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. AOS  responded that it was  the murder rate. Murder  can be a                                                               
crime  of  passion  or  a   measure  of  society.  It's  hard  to                                                               
generalize.  Larcenies and  burglaries are  easier to  run models                                                               
on. "You  will affect the murder  rate if you put  more murderers                                                               
in prison,  because when  they get out,  especially in  the first                                                               
year or  two, we found  that if  they're going to  recidivate for                                                               
murder, they're  more likely to  do it  within the first  year or                                                               
two, and then it falls off considerably after that."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  provided a list  of things  that work. There  are adult,                                                               
juvenile,  and prevention  programs,  and there  are some  things                                                               
they  don't know  enough about  yet, like  mental health  courts.                                                               
There haven't been enough evaluations  yet. The list is a ranking                                                               
of programs with  the highest benefit to cost.  The institute did                                                               
an  analysis of  everyone in  adult  prison and  learned that  73                                                               
percent had been  in the juvenile justice  system. The conclusion                                                               
is to  stop entry into  the system early on  in order to  make an                                                               
impact on prison construction.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said, of the 571  studies mentioned earlier, 57 were drug                                                               
courts from around the country,  including Alaska. Without a drug                                                               
court,  those  offenders  have  a  58  percent  chance  of  being                                                               
reconvicted in Washington  for a new felony  or misdemeanor after                                                               
13  years.   If  they'd  gone   through  the  drug   court,  that                                                               
probability would have  dropped 8 percent - down  from 58 percent                                                               
to 54  percent. That  is a  small change.  The economics  seem to                                                               
make  it worthwhile.  Drug  courts cost  about  $4,300 more  than                                                               
regular  court  processes,  but   that  8  percent  reduction  in                                                               
recidivism rates would save $9,100.  Some of those savings are to                                                               
taxpayers, and  there will also  be fewer crime victims.  Over 13                                                               
years it  creates a positive benefit/cost  ratio. The legislature                                                               
increased funding the drug courts as a result of these findings.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:43:56 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR FRENCH  observed that if drug  courts cost a lot  more, one                                                               
could reach a point where it would not work economically.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said a program  not only needs  to be effective,  but it                                                               
needs to be cost efficient.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   asked  if  drug  courts   have  the  same                                                               
diminishing returns.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:45:29 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  AOS said  that returns  will diminish  as more  offenders go                                                               
into  those programs.  The  institute has  built  its best  guess                                                               
about diminishing returns into the  assumptions. He said programs                                                               
that seem  to work include  education programs in prisons  with 7                                                               
or  8 percent  returns. He  stressed that  there's no  80 percent                                                               
cure, so  you need to add  a little each year.  Some things don't                                                               
work. Intensive  supervision probation or parole,  where contacts                                                               
with  offenders  are  counted, doesn't  work.  If  the  intensive                                                               
supervision  is combined  with treatment  resources, the  returns                                                               
are good. This usually applies to lower risk offenders.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:47:28 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR FRENCH  asked if  the study  is broken out  to look  at the                                                               
type of crime committed and the type of offender.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS responded  that they align each of the  programs with the                                                               
kinds of  offenders they think  they were designed for.  For each                                                               
of  these programs  they make  sure their  department has  done a                                                               
needs  assessment  to  determine,  for example,  if  someone  has                                                               
education deficiencies.  It would  be a waste  to put  someone in                                                               
education programs  that aren't  needed. Washington  has invested                                                               
heavily in juvenile programs because  some of the biggest returns                                                               
are there. If you  can stop a kid in his  high crime years, there                                                               
are  large   savings  because  you're   avoiding  all   kinds  of                                                               
victimizations and future crime costs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:49:24 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR FRENCH asked about the small number of studies.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  expressed concern  and said  he would  like to  see more                                                               
studies. He  said that  prevention programs  also look  good. For                                                               
example, preschool  programs for  low-income youth have  shown to                                                               
reduce crime  rates years later.  A program called  Home Visiting                                                               
and Nurse/Family Partnership has also proven to be effective.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said Washington  prisons will soon  have 18,000  beds in                                                               
the state, and  one or two thousand beds are  rented. In December                                                               
2006, the  legislature was  planning to build  2 prisons  by 2020                                                               
and another  prison by  2030. The  institute compared  what would                                                               
happen  if the  state  kept  funding according  to  plan; made  a                                                               
moderate  increase;  and  instituted an  aggressive  plan,  which                                                               
would  mean  serving  25  percent  of the  market  instead  of  5                                                               
percent. He showed a graph. For  the current plan, the crime rate                                                               
is going  to keep going down  from 52 crimes per  thousand to 48.                                                               
There'll be  a 24 percent  return on investments, a  good benefit                                                               
to cost ratio.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  said if the  state implements the moderate  package, one                                                               
prison may  be avoided. It  includes increasing the  juvenile and                                                               
adult-offender reentry programs and  prevention programs. For the                                                               
aggressive approach of  taking up to 40 percent  of the un-served                                                               
market, they think they can get  to the point where they wouldn't                                                               
have to build  any new prison beds. The  incarceration rate would                                                               
go down a little as the state's population grows.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS said  whatever plan  or  "portfolio" that  is used,  the                                                               
crime rate will  go down and more money will  be spent. But where                                                               
is the  biggest bang for the  buck? The analysis showed  that the                                                               
biggest  return on  investments is  with the  moderate plan.  One                                                               
prison  can  be  avoided  by changing  the  sentencing  laws  and                                                               
replacing them  with the best  of the  programs on the  list. The                                                               
crime rate would stay the same,  but half a billion dollars would                                                               
be saved by not building a prison.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:55:10 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  FRENCH  asked  if  there  would  be  the  same  result  by                                                               
reassigning  current beds  to different  types of  offenders. Mr.                                                               
Aos  just  said  that  Washington   incarcerates  too  many  drug                                                               
offenders,  so he  asked  about  taking them  out  of prison  and                                                               
putting in the violent offenders.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:55:39 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  AOS responded  that the  state  did that.  It shortened  the                                                               
length of stay  of some and put the savings  into drug courts. He                                                               
said it's an example of how  you can use the information to shift                                                               
the portfolio.  As a  result, in 2007,  the legislature  funded a                                                               
combination of  options similar to  what had been  recommended by                                                               
the moderate portfolio, and in the  new state forecast one of the                                                               
prisons was  taken off the drawing  board. Now they have  to make                                                               
sure the recommended  programs will work. This is  a top priority                                                               
for the chair of the legislative  committee, and he will hold the                                                               
agencies "accountable to making  sure that we're actually getting                                                               
the  people in  those  programs  that we  think  are supposed  to                                                               
happen. I worry  that we're not going  to be able to  even get 20                                                               
percent of  the untapped market."  In summary, he said,  they had                                                               
to   take  a   long-term  and   broad  approach.   None  of   the                                                               
interventions  are  magic bullets.  The  drug  courts with  an  8                                                               
percent gain per year will make  a cumulative dent in the rate of                                                               
recidivism  of drug  offenders. Formal  assessment tools  must be                                                               
used,  or the  wrong people  will go  into the  programs. It's  a                                                               
state  and local  effort,  so  you have  to  set  up the  funding                                                               
program so that local governments also get the incentive.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:58:48 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. AOS said  accountability is important. The  program can drift                                                               
if not watched.  The list of what works should  be longer, so the                                                               
legislature is  encouraged to try  new things like  mental health                                                               
courts and then evaluate them. He showed a wrap-up slide.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:02:06 PM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR FRENCH asked what the budget for their office is.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS said  they don't  have a  fixed budget.  A director,  an                                                               
assistant director, and  one staff are the  only positions funded                                                               
regularly. All  the other projects  come to them by  submitting a                                                               
fiscal note of what they think  it will cost. There are currently                                                               
13  professionals   with  a  budget  of   $1.4  million  studying                                                               
education,  foster  care, and  prisons.  It  is comparable  to  a                                                               
private  consulting firm.  "If we're  not delivering  information                                                               
that's  useful  to  the  legislature,   we  just  won't  get  new                                                               
assignments, and we'll go away." That appeals to him.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said Mr. Aos's report is informative.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:04:05 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if any  other states or countries have                                                               
done this and have been accurate with predictions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS  responded that he  thinks not  because they get  so many                                                               
invitations to  speak. He mentioned  that there's an  effort with                                                               
Pew  Charitable  Trust and  others  to  make  this model  a  more                                                               
generalized tool and more available.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  asked if Oregon  passed an  evidence-based approach                                                               
law for its criminal justice system.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:06:00 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. AOS  said Oregon passed  a law that  a portion of  its budget                                                               
has to  be evidence-based, but  "I think  that they may  not have                                                               
the same rigorous process to figure out what's evidence-based."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT asked  if the  evaluation of  what works  and                                                               
what doesn't applies to all Washington state agencies.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  AOS responded  that Washington  probably has  more evidence-                                                               
based  requirements than  any other  state,  but if  you ask  the                                                               
agencies for what is evidence-based  they have a budgetary motive                                                               
to say  it all  is. The  legislature is  working to  have outside                                                               
groups like the institute do the evaluations and research.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:08:09 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  remarked that  Senator Dyson has  said that                                                               
both the Departments  of Corrections and Public  Safety have done                                                               
a  pretty good  job of  showing that  the state  is getting  good                                                               
results  out of  the money  spent each  year, but  it seems  like                                                               
Washington has taken this a step beyond.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. AOS said  the institute has evaluations  of their conclusions                                                               
that will tell them if they're predictions were successful.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee recessed from 12:10:50 PM to 12:53:22 PM.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  reconvened the hearing and  introduced Commissioner                                                               
Walt Monegan and Colonel Audie Holloway.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:53:46 PM                                                                                                                   
WALT MONEGAN,  Commissioner, Alaska  Department of  Public Safety                                                               
(DPS),  said  public  safety is  everyone's  responsibility.  DPS                                                               
handles the "reactivement" aspect of  public safety - when things                                                               
go awry,  somebody has  to put  it back  in order.  Technology is                                                               
improving DPS's efficiency, but  what each road trooper, officer,                                                               
or probation officer is  doing on a one to one  basis is the real                                                               
strength.  There has  been  a groundswell  for  an adjustment  or                                                               
evaluation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:57:03 PM                                                                                                                   
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said he spoke  in Talkeetna about building a                                                               
gasline, and  his perspective was  the state was short  of judges                                                               
because of  trials that  were waiting  for years  to go  into the                                                               
courtroom.  He passed  that information  on  and the  legislature                                                               
hired six  new judges, and that  was good, he thinks.  But he has                                                               
now  been working  more closely  with  the court  system, and  is                                                               
finding  that it's  not necessarily  the judges  who hold  up the                                                               
system. He  said one  should look system  wide to  improve things                                                               
"in a  non-finger-pointing way," so the  Criminal Justice Working                                                               
group  was formed,  chaired by  the Lieutenant  Governor and  the                                                               
Chief  Justice of  the Supreme  Court. Yesterday  was the  second                                                               
meeting, and the  group wants to meet monthly. He  hopes for good                                                               
evaluations on addressing deficiencies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:59:12 PM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  FRENCH asked  about  database  integration and  electronic                                                               
sharing of  data. He wants  the troopers  in Bethel to  know what                                                               
the troopers  in Ketchikan know.  How can  we get Alaska  "on the                                                               
same page" about the people who are committing crimes?                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  MONEGAN referred  to "MAJIC"  [Multi-Agency Justice                                                               
Integration  Project].  A  traffic  violation,  for  example,  is                                                               
frustratingly complicated. An officer  writes the citation; it is                                                               
then coded  and typed by hand,  forwarded to the court,  and then                                                               
some  other clerk  types it  into  another database.  Once it  is                                                               
adjudicated, it  is sent over to  DMV where a third  clerk enters                                                               
it. This  working group will  propose to get everyone  working on                                                               
the  same database  to avoid  duplication and  the mistakes  that                                                               
come with it. Efficiencies and  communication will save money and                                                               
expedite things.  The criminal  justice system  needs to  get its                                                               
house in order.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:01:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER joined the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if Commissioner  Monegan supports  a                                                               
study of evidence-based policies like Mr. Aos described.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said  he'd need to study  that further. It's                                                               
a good idea, but  give the working group a chance  to see what it                                                               
can do.  "If we still fall  short - absolutely." He  is certainly                                                               
supportive of evaluating programs, he said.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI referred to  an Alaska recidivism study last                                                               
year  that 66  percent of  people  released from  prison are  re-                                                               
incarcerated within five years. He  said the quality of personnel                                                               
in the  criminal justice system  is excellent, and he  asked what                                                               
changes can lower that.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN  said there is  no silver bullet;  there are                                                               
bits  and  pieces,  like education,  bootlegging,  and  latch-key                                                               
kids. In the 1950s extended  families lived together and a parent                                                               
stayed home,  so there  was more nurturing.  That isn't  the case                                                               
any  longer. Kids  are alone  and unsupervised  in the  house and                                                               
amused  with the  television or  games. "And  who reinforces  the                                                               
rules and values  and the things that they need  so that they can                                                               
be successful in  life?" That's the way society is  now. He would                                                               
like to  look at all  the worthy programs  and fund them.  "And I                                                               
would  dump the  rest of  it into  education, because  prevention                                                               
will always  be cheaper than  prosecution." Children  need skills                                                               
and self esteem to keep them out of trouble.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:06:05 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN  said once the  working group gets  "our own                                                               
house  in order,  then,  again, finding  out  what resources  and                                                               
assets  need  to  be  developed  and  corrected  or  enhanced  or                                                               
whatever." Mountainview  had open drug dealing  and prostitution,                                                               
so  there  was discontent  among  residents.  He put  together  a                                                               
community action policing team (CAP  Team). He was the commander.                                                               
The first  year saturated the  area with police to  drive blatant                                                               
criminal activity off the street.  The second year the team built                                                               
partnerships with the police so  citizens could feel safe and get                                                               
involved with the community. The  third year was for sitting back                                                               
and playing a supporting role,  but that wasn't enough time. That                                                               
plan  is  still sound,  he  believes.  Different themes  will  be                                                               
discussed  today, but  he wants  the main  thing to  be increased                                                               
cooperation  and communication.  Nothing is  more effective  than                                                               
involving  the  community,  like  neighborhood  crime  watch.  It                                                               
allows everyone to  know each other and know what  car belongs in                                                               
each  driveway. Neighbors  helping  neighbors is  the best  crime                                                               
preventing program possible.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:09:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH said  he couldn't agree more. But  crime does occur.                                                               
When a  call goes  out for a  trooper, we want  a good  person to                                                               
respond. He asked about trooper staffing.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN  he hopes  to fill  up his  vacancies. There                                                               
are  just 25  open  positions out  of  a staff  of  308. He  said                                                               
attrition is  two troopers per  month. More troopers  are needed,                                                               
but he is  hoping the working group  will come up with  a plan to                                                               
grow the state troopers so that they are effective.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:12:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked about the task force.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN  said it  is a working  group and  there are                                                               
members from  the Department of Public  Safety, Corrections, Law,                                                               
and the Office of Public Advocacy.  It is looking at every aspect                                                               
of  the  state  criminal  justice system.  After  that,  it  will                                                               
consider integration with agency partners.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked when a plan will be available.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  MONEGAN said  there will  be monthly  meetings, and                                                               
meetings will continue quarterly forever.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  there  is a  90-day  session and  the                                                               
legislature wants ideas for combating the problems.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  MONEGAN said  the group  will probably  not provide                                                               
anything this  session. There is no  quick fix. He is  proud that                                                               
the  troopers  have  a  plan,   but  the  other  departments  and                                                               
divisions might not  have plans. By next session  he'll know more                                                               
of what to ask the legislature for.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:15:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FRENCH said  troopers are  paid less  than APD  [Anchorage                                                               
Police  Department]  officers,  so  the pay  and  benefits  can't                                                               
possibly  attract  new  recruits.  These are  difficult  jobs  in                                                               
remote and harsh environments.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN  said the union  is going  into negotiations                                                               
to  address those  issues.  The troopers  do  deserve more  money                                                               
because it is  a tough job. Troopers don't have  the back-up help                                                               
that police do.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said  he wants to know  what the legislature                                                               
can do. What has been the  impact of taking away pensions? Has it                                                               
become harder or easier to recruit?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  MONEGAN said  he doesn't  know whether  enough time                                                               
has passed to  tell how Tier IV has negatively  affected him, but                                                               
it wasn't a  good thing. There have been a  lot of troopers going                                                               
to the Academy,  however. Law enforcement is a  difficult job and                                                               
the legislature will be asked: "to  address at least parts of it,                                                               
for  example,  the  medical  - giving  prior  time  for  military                                                               
service for the medical aspect. I support that."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:21:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR McGUIRE  asked for  updates from  the working  group. She                                                               
asked  about underlying  factors  for  violent crimes,  including                                                               
alcoholism and  mental illness, and  she asked how the  group can                                                               
address that. "One  of the frustrating things is trying  to put a                                                               
band aid  at the back  end." The state has  staggering statistics                                                               
on  violent crime.  She would  like to  know how  to address  the                                                               
underlying factors -- whether it's policy or budget.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN  said in the  1980s there were  56 different                                                               
agencies  in the  Anchorage area  that addressed  alcohol issues,                                                               
and he  thought they were  competing rather than  cooperating. He                                                               
wants the  working group  to become  cooperators. The  next large                                                               
challenge is  to address the  huge difference between  the public                                                               
expectations and what can be delivered.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:24:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH said he will  ask the lieutenant governor to forward                                                               
the group's schedule and agenda.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if it  is  true that  90 percent  of                                                               
Alaskans arrested are substance abusers.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said he thinks  about 80 percent had alcohol                                                               
or drugs as part of the equation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI heard  that  40 to  50  percent had  mental                                                               
health issues.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked about  Tier IV,  and surmised  that the                                                               
municipalities are hiring under the Tier IV scheme.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said it is the pay scale too.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  read from an  audit report on  recidivism and                                                               
it  recommended  that  "the commissioner  of  the  Department  of                                                               
Public Safety  as the chair  of the Criminal  Justice Information                                                               
Advisory Board  should reestablish  the board  as the  first step                                                               
toward integrating the state's criminal  justice system." Is that                                                               
underway?                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said the commissioners  can get together and                                                               
talk,  but unless  someone has  more  authority, no  one will  be                                                               
pressured into  significant changes.  That is why  the lieutenant                                                               
governor and chief justice are on the working group.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said one criticism  in the audit is  that the                                                               
information has  limited usefulness because it  is incomplete and                                                               
unreliable. "Hopefully your  efforts are going to  make sure that                                                               
it gets in  and not multiple people have to  reenter it, but it's                                                               
put  in  at a  level  of  sophistication or  completeness  that's                                                               
useful."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said he is trying to address that issue.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:27:21 PM                                                                                                                    
COLONEL AUDIE  HOLLOWAY, Director,  Alaska State  Troopers (AST),                                                               
said the troopers  are seeing an increase in calls  of all types,                                                               
especially white-collar,  computer, identity,  domestic violence,                                                               
and property crimes. Partly it  is population growth and computer                                                               
possibilities.  It also  may  be due  to  an inefficient  system.                                                               
Alaska is  number one in  UCR [Uniform Crime  Reporting] forcible                                                               
rape, and  that doesn't include  all of Alaska's  sexual assaults                                                               
and abuse of  minors. Alaska's rating would then  be worse. There                                                               
are many  more search  and rescues, which  are very  resource and                                                               
time consuming.  Drug problems  are the  basis of  other criminal                                                               
problems.  Interdiction prevents  downstream  problems. AST  does                                                               
very well  in the areas  of homicides/sexual  assaults, immediate                                                               
emergency  response,  and  search   and  rescue.  The  challenges                                                               
include investigative capabilities, such  as on domestic violence                                                               
and burglary calls.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
COLONEL HOLLOWAY referred  to the handout "Anatomy of  a Call for                                                               
Service," which shows  there's more to finishing a  call than the                                                               
initial  response. Another  challenge  is  in judicial  services:                                                               
prisoner  transportation   and  court  security.  This   work  is                                                               
increasing.  There are  10,000 unserved  arrest  warrants in  the                                                               
state. He referred to an article in the Frontiersman.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked  if unserved warrants are  categorized so that                                                               
murders get more attention.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL  HOLLOWAY   said  the  most   serious  crimes   get  more                                                               
attention. A  third area where  the AST needs improvement  is the                                                               
investigative services  for felony  crimes, such as  white collar                                                               
crime, identity  crime, and internet crime.  Presence on Alaska's                                                               
highways is  the fourth challenge  to AST. There is  no dedicated                                                               
highway safety plan to modify  poor driver behavior. There is not                                                               
enough  presence  during  poor  driving conditions.  He  is  also                                                               
concerned about  the safety of  the troopers in rural  areas. AST                                                               
faces significant challenges with  recruitment and retention. The                                                               
current  generation is  not drawn  to  that career.  The AST  has                                                               
suffered through a  number of years with high  separations, so it                                                               
is doing  a staffing study  for current needs. The  average level                                                               
of  experience  of  the  troopers   is  declining.  2007  was  an                                                               
exceptional recruitment year, but 2008  doesn't look as good. AST                                                               
is about  25 years behind  in technology. The ALEISS  (Alaska Law                                                               
Enforcement Information Sharing System)  program is an example of                                                               
success,  however. But  AST doesn't  have  an electronic  records                                                               
management system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH expressed concern and wants to fix the 25-year gap.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL HOLLOWAY  said they are  working on  standardizing across                                                               
the criminal  justice system. "One of  the worst things we  do in                                                               
this state is [not sharing] statistics about what we do."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  asked who does  a good  job of data  sharing. There                                                               
could be a summit on this topic alone.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL HOLLOWAY said Arizona has a good integrated system.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:13 PM                                                                                                                    
COLONEL HOLLOWAY  continued saying many facilities  are seriously                                                               
out of date. There is a  10-year broadly written plan focusing on                                                               
priorities, and he would like to  see that for the whole system -                                                               
"that  we not  only  look  at AST  setting  their priorities  and                                                               
sticking with them … but  also having the criminal justice system                                                               
do kind of the same thing." Right now it is very haphazard.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER MONEGAN said  he is addressing rural  justice and is                                                               
committed to improvement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:39:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH spoke  of recent homicides in  Palmer and Anchorage,                                                               
and  the APD  was exemplary.  "I was  absolutely proud  to be  an                                                               
Alaska citizen … for the work you all did."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:41:00 PM                                                                                                                    
^ROB HEUN, Chief, Anchorage Police Department                                                                                   
ROB HEUN,  Chief, Anchorage Police  Department (APD),  said there                                                               
was luck involved.  The main goal of the  criminal justice system                                                               
is for  public safety and fair  and equal access to  justice. But                                                               
the system is  only nominally a system - it  is a loose coalition                                                               
of agencies with related missions,  "and we don't always interact                                                               
seamlessly."  The  key  player  is the  state,  which  has  prime                                                               
responsibility  for providing  public  safety  for matters  other                                                               
than those under federal jurisdiction.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN said  his belief is that meaningful  reform requires a                                                               
systems  approach.  Any  serious  analysis  will  likely  suggest                                                               
changes  in resource  distribution, "and  I can  tell you  that's                                                               
going  to create  winners and  losers, and  it will  initially be                                                               
very unpopular." But the system  will never be effective until it                                                               
achieves balance.  In 2003, the  mayor and chief got  together to                                                               
improve public safety and it  resulted in more cops in Anchorage,                                                               
which meant the  reinstatement of the gang and  traffic units. So                                                               
there were more  arrests. In 2002, there were  15,598 arrests and                                                               
it jumped  to 17,999 in  2003. This  increased the burden  on the                                                               
rest of the justice system.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN  said the federal  government can and should  share in                                                               
the  public  safety   burden.  It  does  so   in  Anchorage.  The                                                               
effectiveness and the  perception of it have an  impact on crime.                                                               
Officers work  with elected officials on  crime legislation. They                                                               
also address the relationship between  crime and substance abuse,                                                               
and they do their best to inform the public on those efforts.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF HEUN said the police  focus on controlling crime and making                                                               
people safer,  but social and  economic factors have  an enormous                                                               
influence on the  nature and levels of crime. So  do the policies                                                               
of  the  system.  With  all  these  variables,  crime  statistics                                                               
change.  Anchorage   has  1.39  cops  per   1,000  citizens,  and                                                               
nationally, cities of the same size  have 2.39 cops per 1,000. To                                                               
meet the average, Anchorage needs  278 more officers; this is not                                                               
in the  foreseeable future. The  other cities of  comparable size                                                               
have  overlapping  jurisdictions,  such as  sheriff  departments,                                                               
state police,  and adjacent bedroom community  police departments                                                               
that integrate  call load and back  each other up. The  APD has a                                                               
wonderful working  relationship with  the state troopers,  but at                                                               
their staffing level,  "I have no expectation  that they're going                                                               
to help us  start to shag calls in the  Anchorage bowl. It's just                                                               
not going to happen."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  said the  APD has more  officers in  Anchorage than                                                               
state  troopers in  the entire  state. "So,  if anything,  you're                                                               
going to cover their calls."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN said,  "Whenever we can." The best way  to address the                                                               
crime trends is  to look at the population through  the years and                                                               
compare it  with the number of  crimes that fit the  UCR [Uniform                                                               
Crime Report  from the  FBI] index  (reported number  of murders,                                                               
forcible  rapes,  robberies,   aggravated  assaults,  burglaries,                                                               
larcenies, and motor  vehicle thefts per 100,000) to  get a rate.                                                               
From 1987-2006, the population of  the Anchorage service area has                                                               
been trending  upward, while the  crime index - the  total number                                                               
of UCR Part  I crimes committed -  is pretty flat. It  goes up in                                                               
2006.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH noted that it is adjusted for population.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN said  the total number of those crimes  (in red on his                                                               
chart) stays  flat. In  Anchorage, from  2005-2006, there  was an                                                               
increase in  2 homicides or  a 9.3  percent increase, and  a 30.2                                                               
percent increase  in robberies. Future  crime can't be  known but                                                               
the state has  the most control over its  criminal justice system                                                               
and  not on  the  "impactors". Mr.  Aos  suggested programs  that                                                               
could help.  One success  story is  that there  was not  one gang                                                               
motivated homicide  in Anchorage  in 2007.  He believes  that was                                                               
due to the  Special Assignments Unit partnering  with the federal                                                               
government  Safe   Street  Task  Force.  There   were  35  people                                                               
arrested. The APD is playing a role in an anti-gang policy team.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:54:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  HEUN  said  the  traffic unit  was  combined  with  school                                                               
resource  officers and  reinstated community  action patrol.  The                                                               
traffic unit helped in dropping fatalities  from 34 in 2002 to 15                                                               
in  2006.  In 2007,  it  will  rise  because  of an  increase  in                                                               
pedestrian  accidents. The  school resource  officers mentor  and                                                               
intercede  in  potentially   explosive  situations.  They  handle                                                               
criminal  acts  near  schools   and  develop  relationships  with                                                               
students. It prevents and solves crime, he stated.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH  asked about the  school officers. There seem  to be                                                               
enormous benefits in steering the youth in the right direction.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  HEUN said  there  are  17 school  officers  -  2 per  high                                                               
school. They  don't enforce  school policies,  just the  law, and                                                               
they take a tremendous burden off  the officers on the street. It                                                               
is  one  of the  best  pro-active  measures. Presence  is  always                                                               
helpful  in  diminishing  the  "use   of  force  continuum".  The                                                               
officers mentor  and teach  public safety  classes. "They  get to                                                               
know  the kids,  and  they  also generate  information  for us  -                                                               
particularly when it comes to the potential for gang violence."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:57:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said gang  violence is a  big issue  in his                                                               
community. He asked if it is  under control in Anchorage and what                                                               
can be done legislatively.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN  said the police  get involved when things  are broken                                                               
in  the social  fabric  of the  home. The  kids  are looking  for                                                               
structure. There  is an economic  incentive for gangs. To  say it                                                               
is  under  control  is  presumptuous,  but  the  APD  is  working                                                               
diligently, and  last summer  was a lot  quieter than  the summer                                                               
before. There were  zero tolerance patrols in two  areas. The APD                                                               
conducted field interviews and expanded  the database so officers                                                               
could  know  who  the  common players  are.  After  the  "Holiday                                                               
assault"  the department  decided to  be aggressive  on the  zero                                                               
tolerance patrols. He also referred to the safe-street project.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  HEUN said  he will  talk  about it.  Some of  the APD  was                                                               
reorganized. There was a rise  in pedestrian accidents this year,                                                               
and "it  is the  commitment to  community-oriented policing  as a                                                               
philosophy that  compels us to  vigorously recruit  for qualified                                                               
applicants." The APD  has had a net gain of  64 new officers. The                                                               
goal is a  total net gain of  93 by 2009. Pay  has increased. Law                                                               
enforcement  has  difficulty   filling  vacancies  statewide  and                                                               
nationwide. As staffing  grows, more reporting will  be done. The                                                               
APD  facility  needs  more  securable  space,  like  storage  for                                                               
firearms and biological evidence for sexual assaults.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN  said finding secure shelter  and treatment facilities                                                               
for  the  homeless  public  inebriates   is  a  big  problem.  It                                                               
transcends the  line between public health  and criminal justice.                                                               
There  has   been  an  increase  in   victimization  within  that                                                               
community. There  were over 20,000  chronic inebriate  visits per                                                               
year to the  transfer station in 2006 and 2007.  The APD averages                                                               
over 3,000 transports  per year -- almost 10 per  day. Of the top                                                               
200 chronic inebriates who are engaged  by APD and use the patrol                                                               
services,  91  percent  are  Alaska-born   and  from  outside  of                                                               
Anchorage. Each dispatch takes 40  minutes or more. That takes an                                                               
officer off  the street. APD  can't differentiate between  a call                                                               
from a  public inebriate  and a heart  attack or  assault victim.                                                               
Racing a vehicle  to the event puts officers and  citizens on the                                                               
road at  a higher  level of risk.  He said Title  47 needs  to be                                                               
used  for  involuntary committal  of  inebriates  for safety  and                                                               
treatment.   Another   challenge   is  efficient   and   accurate                                                               
information sharing.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:05:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  HEUN said  the APD  is  a member  of ALEISS,  and the  APD                                                               
supplied the largest volume of data to other agencies.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH noted  that ALEISS allows a police  officer in Kenai                                                               
to have access to reports filed in Anchorage.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN  said yes, and that  will expand. It is  good, but the                                                               
frustration  is  right  now  --  conditions  of  bail  cannot  be                                                               
digitally entered  on an accessible  databank to officers  on the                                                               
street. It is important and needs progress.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said he went to  a MAJIC meeting and it was focusing                                                               
on "DB"  and DWI  [driving while intoxicated]  crimes. It  was to                                                               
let officer  know when someone  was on  court release for  one of                                                               
those crimes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN said, "Right now … we  do have access to the 'DB', and                                                               
that's very, very  helpful." None of the  problems overshadow the                                                               
recurring,  frustrating, and  dangerous  issue  of arresting  the                                                               
same  individuals over,  and over,  and over  again. Rarely  is a                                                               
violent  or  property  crime committed  without  the  perpetrator                                                               
sporting a  criminal record of  note. For a recent  home invasion                                                               
arrest, one  of the suspects  had been  sentenced to 26  years in                                                               
prison for  kidnapping and sexual  assault. He was  released from                                                               
jail in June  of 2007 after serving 13 years.  The second suspect                                                               
had been sentenced  to 20 years in 2000 for  assault in the first                                                               
degree, and  he was released on  parole after less than  7 years.                                                               
The third suspect was sentenced  for assault in the second degree                                                               
and was  released just  short of four  years later.  All suspects                                                               
had just gotten out of jail.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said that math suggests  that if they had all served                                                               
their terms they would not have committed this other crime.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN said the examples could  go on and on. He gave another                                                               
of  an  arrestee with  15  prior  convictions, and  another  with                                                               
convictions of 11 felonies and 21 misdemeanors.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  HEUN  asked what  the  legislature  can  do with  this  66                                                               
percent recidivism rate.  He said it can craft  laws and allocate                                                               
resources. He told  the body to review all public  safety laws to                                                               
provide   competency,  accountability,   and  genuine   value  to                                                               
criminal justice. Ensure that there  enough resources allotted to                                                               
ensure the  successful enforcement of the  legislation, including                                                               
recurring  costs  in  upcoming  years. He  said  to  measure  the                                                               
intended  effectiveness  with  reviews. He  warned  of  feel-good                                                               
legislation  that  doesn't  provide  fair  and  equal  access  to                                                               
justice. He asked  the legislature to fund MAJIC,  which has been                                                               
working so hard,  or "dust off A.S.  12.62.100, which establishes                                                               
criminal  justice information  advisory  board  and outlines  its                                                               
functions."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN said critical information  on criminals is missed. For                                                               
example, officers can't access bail  condition except in cases of                                                               
domestic  violence.  Criminals  can often  avoid  prosecution  by                                                               
moving  between jurisdictions.  "Why aren't  DUI arrest  packages                                                               
electronic?"  Also,  prosecutors   and  district  attorneys  need                                                               
electronic access to criminal case  records and digital evidence.                                                               
He  asked  the  legislature  to   create  a  model  for  specific                                                               
distribution  of funding  to maintain  a balance  in the  system.                                                               
"Fulfilling the criminal justice  system's goal of providing that                                                               
fair and equal  access to justice requires a  balance system with                                                               
adequate  resources." The  present prison  capacity in  Alaska is                                                               
hampering the  overall efforts  of the  system to  alter criminal                                                               
behavior. Bad guys know they are  unlikely to do any or much time                                                               
except for  the most  heinous crimes.  The high  recidivism rates                                                               
question  the   state's  reform   efforts.  He   believes  secure                                                               
rehabilitation  will  impact   recidivism  rates.  Rehabilitation                                                               
should occur in jail, but they  need to be kept there long enough                                                               
to make it work, "and we can't do that without enough beds."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:15:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF HEUN  said the expansion  of the police force  will require                                                               
defenders  and  prosecutors  to prioritize  their  resources.  He                                                               
noted  the  federal  government community  policing  grants,  and                                                               
"what if the state were to  establish a solely Alaskan version of                                                               
a version of a program like  that to help the various entities of                                                               
the  criminal  justice  system attain  the  resources  they  deem                                                               
necessary  once  they  justify  the  need  as  it  comports  with                                                               
maintaining the  balance within the system?"  Perhaps the program                                                               
can help  hire public defenders,  probation officers,  or others.                                                               
Perhaps  it could  provide funding  to  address the  relationship                                                               
between substance  abuse and crime, or  understand recidivism for                                                               
the system  - not the  individual agencies. The fiscal  impact of                                                               
the agency  resources should be reviewed  independently to ensure                                                               
balance. With so many agencies,  he asked where the clearinghouse                                                               
is that assesses  and coordinates system-wide needs.  He wants an                                                               
apolitical body that is empowered  to provide periodic reviews of                                                               
the system to lawmakers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HEUN  said every person has  a role. The system  is totally                                                               
front loaded  now, and  it will  remain that way  as long  as the                                                               
population  increases  and  enforcement expands.  Cops  have  the                                                               
responsibility  to provide  solid cases  to the  prosecutors, and                                                               
the prosecutors  must be prepared  to handle the case  fairly and                                                               
completely.  The  same  is  true   of  the  public  defenders.  A                                                               
competent  corps of  attorneys for  trials is  the first  step to                                                               
guaranteeing   constitutional  equal   access  to   justice.  The                                                               
judiciary  is  a  key  player.  Bails  and  sentences  should  be                                                               
realistic and in the best  interest of public safety. There needs                                                               
to  be  effective rehabilitation  programs,  and  for those  that                                                               
can't be  rehabilitated, "accept  the fact that  they need  to be                                                               
lodged  and secured  from society."  Those on  parole need  to be                                                               
monitored by competent professionals,  and the difference between                                                               
juvenile and  adult offenders  needs to  be recognized.  Also the                                                               
alcohol and drug nexus to the crimes needs to be recognized.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:20:18 PM                                                                                                                    
^DAN HOFFMAN, Chief, Fairbanks Police Department                                                                                
DAN  HOFFMAN, Chief,  Fairbanks Police  Department, said  he will                                                               
hit  on  the  same  themes  as  previous  speakers.  He  provided                                                               
documents to the  committee. Fairbanks has 1.38  police per 1,000                                                               
residents,  which is  significantly under  the national  average,                                                               
and  every  category  of  crime has  numbers  over  the  national                                                               
average. "We  have an  under-sized police  force dealing  with an                                                               
over-sized  crime problem."  He noted  that Fairbanks  and Juneau                                                               
are  the  same  size,  but   Fairbanks  has  a  huge  surrounding                                                               
population of 60,000 more people.  Fairbanks had three homicides;                                                               
Juneau had  none. Fairbanks had  86 percent more  sexual assaults                                                               
than Juneau  and 119 percent more  aggravated assaults. Fairbanks                                                               
had  190  percent  more  simple assaults  and  392  percent  more                                                               
robberies.   The   statistics   are  similar   with   burglaries,                                                               
larcenies,  and auto  theft. It  isn't that  people are  worse in                                                               
Fairbanks, but it  can be attributed to being a  hub community on                                                               
the road  system. The  road brings  the outlying  people in  on a                                                               
daily  basis, unlike  Juneau. Fairbanks  did  have reductions  in                                                               
2007 in  many crimes.  The only rise  was aggravated  assault and                                                               
homicides - but homicides provide too  little of a sample size to                                                               
be meaningful.  Recent successes  in Fairbanks include  using the                                                               
federal Weed and  Seed grant program. The  program truly requires                                                               
real  community policing,  and it  weeds out  the crime  with law                                                               
enforcement and seeds community social services.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:26:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  HOFFMAN  said another  recent  success  is Fairbank's  DUI                                                               
traffic  enforcement in  collaboration with  the state's  highway                                                               
safety office.  A grant was  obtained to get a  dedicated traffic                                                               
unit up  and running.  Last week  the Department  of Law  said it                                                               
would dedicate a  prosecutor to deal with  the increased arrests.                                                               
That speaks to what others have  said about the importance of not                                                               
frontloading  the  system.  Another success  includes  technology                                                               
implementation  through  federal  grants  and  homeland  security                                                               
funding. Fairbanks  was the first  in the  state to come  on line                                                               
with  the Alaska  land mobile  radio  system. It  was a  founding                                                               
partner in the ALEISS program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  HOFFMAN  said  technology  has  evolved  quickly  and  all                                                               
aspects of  the criminal  justice system should  be able  to take                                                               
advantage of  it. He is  astounded to  be 25 years  behind. There                                                               
needs to be  special recognition of communities  that are serving                                                               
as hub communities, such as  Fairbanks. "People are coming in off                                                               
the  road  system  and  coming  from  outlying  areas  and  using                                                               
Fairbanks  as a  hub;  [it] impacts  us."  The chronic  inebriate                                                               
problem  reflects  that.  It  is  as bad  as  or  worse  than  in                                                               
Anchorage;  the Fairbanks  police dealt  with over  3,000 chronic                                                               
inebriate calls in 2007, and  that doesn't include the calls that                                                               
the community service  patrol has dealt with.  The worst offender                                                               
was taken to the correctional facility  74 times in 2007 (for 12-                                                               
hour holds).  It takes an  officer off  his or her  public safety                                                               
job in order  to deal with that health and  social service issue.                                                               
There  is a  dangerous  reduction in  mental  health services  in                                                               
Fairbanks. Residential  mental health  facilities are  being shut                                                               
down;  the treatment  programs are  being reduced  or eliminated.                                                               
"It's getting to  the point where if you're  a seriously mentally                                                               
ill person in Fairbanks, there's no  where for you to go. There's                                                               
nobody  to take  care of  you." The  third homicide  in Fairbanks                                                               
this  year was  a person  at a  residential facility  that nearly                                                               
decapitated a  worker. As a  result, the facility was  shut down.                                                               
Where are the people supposed to  go? They will be on the street.                                                               
Inebriates often have chronic mental  health disorders. By having                                                               
an enhanced detox  model in place, a  diagnostician can determine                                                               
mental  disorders  while  treating people  for  substance  abuse.                                                               
Under the "ridiculous vagary of  federal law, that enhanced detox                                                               
center can only  have a maximum of 16 beds."  Under federal law a                                                               
larger facility isn't eligible for  Medicaid funding, but 16 beds                                                               
is not sufficient  for Fairbanks. The medical  examiner office is                                                               
in Anchorage, so any body must  be flown to Anchorage, and he has                                                               
had  to fight  - tooth  and nail  - to  convince staff  to do  an                                                               
autopsy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:34:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF HOFFMAN  said, "I think  that the average citizen  would be                                                               
mortified  if they  knew how  many times  that deaths  were being                                                               
determined  … and  signed-off on  over the  phone without  a body                                                               
ever  being looked  at."  Any  elderly person  with  any kind  of                                                               
health  condition   that  dies  outside  of   Anchorage  will  be                                                               
automatically   determined  to   die  of   that  condition.   The                                                               
population is  aging, so Alaska  will see many more  instances of                                                               
elder abuse  and neglect. "It  really worries  me that in  all of                                                               
the  communities outside  of Anchorage  that when  an old  person                                                               
dies, as  long as there's  some heart medication in  the cupboard                                                               
or  diabetes  medication in  the  kitchen,  they're going  to  be                                                               
signed off on."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked for a solution to that.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HOFFMAN said there should  be regional medical examiners to                                                               
perform  autopsies. There  is  no reason  not to  have  one in  a                                                               
community the size of Fairbanks or Juneau.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HOFFMAN  said he agrees  with others  that if the  state is                                                               
going to  try and fix problems,  it should be done  in a balanced                                                               
way throughout  the criminal justice  system. He wants  the state                                                               
to   designate   hubs    communities   recognizing   that   those                                                               
municipalities are really dealing with state-wide issues.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF HOFFMAN  said his office  has a good relationship  with all                                                               
the  agencies  it works  with.  Everyone  is committed,  but  the                                                               
criminal justice system  is no "system" at all.  There are common                                                               
goals, but it is not organized  into one system. Unlike a private                                                               
company, criminal justice is not directed from the top down.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:37:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said his  house district  11 is  about 20,000                                                               
people, and it  is outside [Fairbanks] city limits.  It is likely                                                               
that half of them are in the city everyday.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HOFFMAN said Wasilla is another  example of a hub. It has a                                                               
relatively small police department with  "a huge influx of people                                                               
throughout the valley coming in and utilizing services."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:39:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked about the number  of chronic inebriates                                                               
in Fairbanks - the ones you know by name.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF HOFFMAN said  there are about 60 hard core  ones, and 25 of                                                               
the worst  offenders have an average  of 16 visits per  year. But                                                               
"rural  folks and  folks  from other  communities  who come  into                                                               
Fairbanks to access  alcohol and to access the  social services …                                                               
so at any  given time we're going to have  visitors from outlying                                                               
areas that  we end up providing  those services to." If  they are                                                               
in town  for two  weeks, they  might get picked  up two  or three                                                               
times in that visit. It is difficult to quantify.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked about staffing.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  HOFFMAN said  he  is  not facing  the  same problems  with                                                               
recruitment  and  retention  that  Anchorage  is.  Fairbanks  has                                                               
gotten  officers  from  smaller   communities.  There  is  a  low                                                               
turnover  at  the  department.  Anchorage  offered  his  officers                                                               
better benefits,  but no one  chose to  go. People like  being in                                                               
Fairbanks.  After a  long stalemate  with the  city council,  the                                                               
police finally got a new contract,  and if that had not happened,                                                               
the department would have lost people.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked about the leave and longevity pay.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  HOFFMAN said  leave  is  140 hours  per  year  - sick  and                                                               
annual.  The  last  contract  got  rid  of  longevity  pay,  "but                                                               
overall, we're competitive."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
^ANGELLA LONG, Chief, Wasilla Police Department                                                                                 
ANGELLA LONG, Chief, Wasilla Police  Department, said Wasilla has                                                               
7,000 residents, but the Mat-Su  Borough adds 81,000 to that. She                                                               
noted  that  Wasilla  has   similar  circumstances  to  Fairbanks                                                               
because  Wasilla is  a  retail  hub for  the  valley. Wasilla  is                                                               
growing, but it's  not necessarily within the city  limits, so it                                                               
is impacting the  police department. She has seen  an increase in                                                               
property crimes, including construction  thefts. There has been a                                                               
huge construction boom, she noted.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF LONG  said Wasilla is  famous for  its drugs, but  the meth                                                               
labs  are  declining.  This  is  due,  in  part,  to  legislation                                                               
restricting  access  to  precursors.  The  meth  labs  have  been                                                               
replaced  by heroin,  however. Heroin  seems  to be  the drug  of                                                               
choice.  The  police  are  having  difficulty  managing  property                                                               
crimes,  particularly with  pawnshop  reporting  because the  law                                                               
dealing with that  is old and it doesn't take  the new technology                                                               
into account.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:45:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR McGUIRE  asked what other  communities do  regarding pawn                                                               
shops.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF LONG said there was  legislation introduced a few years ago                                                               
to change  the reporting requirements,  but it  failed. Web-based                                                               
reporting  for  pawn  shops  is  a good  idea.  Following  up  on                                                               
property crime is difficult, just as Colonel Holloway indicated.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  LONG  said  successes in  the  Wasilla  Police  Department                                                               
include highway safety. There are  two officers who are certified                                                               
in drug recognition, and that  program has been successful. There                                                               
have been successes in technology.  Wasilla went live with CAD in                                                               
2006 and with its records  management system later that year. The                                                               
two  systems were  grant  funded,  and they  are  now looking  at                                                               
putting the computers  into the patrol cruisers, like  is done in                                                               
Anchorage and  Fairbanks. The "LMR"  radio network  technology is                                                               
being  installed.  Wasilla  contracts dispatch  services  to  the                                                               
troopers  in the  valley, and  the troopers  transitioned to  the                                                               
"LMR" radio network over  a year and a half ago,  and it has been                                                               
successful. The  Palmer Police Department is  working toward that                                                               
system too. Wasilla takes part  in the ALEISS program (Alaska Law                                                               
Enforcement Information Sharing System)  and is a contributor and                                                               
participant. It's  been successful,  particularly with  regard to                                                               
property crimes. Wasilla had an armed  robbery at a gun shop, and                                                               
through   collaboration   with   Anchorage,   the   suspect   was                                                               
apprehended without incident.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:50:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF LONG  said the criminal  justice system doesn't  quite work                                                               
together in  the true sense  of a system. They're  just partners,                                                               
and  technology, funding,  and different  missions inhibit  it. A                                                               
few  district  attorneys  have  been lost  recently,  so  it's  a                                                               
constant battle to stay fully staffed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH said  there  isn't  a city  prosecutor  such as  in                                                               
Anchorage  or Fairbanks,  so all  of  Wasilla's cases  go to  the                                                               
state's District Attorney's office.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  LONG said,  "We  don't  have a  separate  set of  criminal                                                               
charges or  ordinances; we operate strictly  under state criminal                                                               
statutes." That office is in  Palmer. The court system is working                                                               
on expansion; the state acquired  a building in Palmer. There are                                                               
two new judges, which has helped  greatly. The grand jury is held                                                               
in  the old  emergency room  at hospital.  The court  building is                                                               
packed  to  capacity and  the  expansion  is welcomed.  They  are                                                               
working  as  fast  as  they   can.  Correctional  facilities  are                                                               
overcrowded in the valley, but she  is looking forward to the Pt.                                                               
MacKenzie  facility. All  this affects  public safety,  she said,                                                               
and  cases  languish because  caseloads  are  too big.  She  gave                                                               
examples. Chief  Heun said  the system  needs help  and resources                                                               
may  need  reallocation.  Some   components  of  the  system  are                                                               
ignored; emphasis  is on  the uniforms on  the street  and making                                                               
more laws, but that impacts every  part of the system. What's the                                                               
point of  arresting someone  if the system  can't follow  up? The                                                               
allocation of resources needs to be looked at.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:56:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF   LONG  recommends   that  the   legislature  support   the                                                               
individual  components  of  the   criminal  justice  system,  but                                                               
consider if  supporting one component  puts pressure  on another.                                                               
She  said to  look  at  remedies for  attorney  retention in  the                                                               
Department  of Law.  There are  fantastic prosecutors,  but their                                                               
caseloads  are  such  that  they  can only  do  so  much.  A  big                                                               
component  in  MAJIC  is  the   court  data  sharing.  She  urged                                                               
supporting the  Department of Corrections in  housing inmates and                                                               
building a  new crime lab. The  lab has great staff  but they are                                                               
stacked on top  of each other and the workload  is very high. She                                                               
also recommended supporting  ALEISS. The program has  a grant and                                                               
is doing well, but she encouraged other agencies to look at web-                                                                
based technologies to share data as well.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:00:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHIEF  LONG said  Wasilla  works closely  with  the troopers  and                                                               
neighboring  police departments.  There  is  a good  relationship                                                               
with the  District Attorneys  Office; "in  fact, we  meet monthly                                                               
with  all  the agencies  and  representatives  from all  the  law                                                               
enforcement agencies,  the D.A.'s  office, the court  system, and                                                               
corrections."  They  have  met  for   about  a  year  to  discuss                                                               
procedural problems,  new policies,  and specific cases.  "We are                                                               
trying to bridge that gap,  but those components still have their                                                               
own funding issues, staffing issues, and those kinds of things."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:01:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  McGUIRE  noted  that  Wasilla   uses  state  law,  which                                                               
requires bars  to close  at 5:00 a.m.,  "or some  ridiculous time                                                               
like that."  Anchorage bars  close earlier  and there  is concern                                                               
about the  drunk driving and  alcohol related crimes  when people                                                               
go to  Wasilla after the  Anchorage bars  close. She asked  if it                                                               
would help to change state law to be more like Anchorage.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF LONG said  bars close earlier in Palmer. There  is only one                                                               
bar  in Wasilla  that stays  open until  5:00 a.m.  The drive  to                                                               
Wasilla to catch the open bars  is not occurring now because of a                                                               
very good  DUI enforcement  team that  the troopers  sponsor. "We                                                               
also do  a lot of  DUI enforcement  both in Palmer  and Wasilla."                                                               
The ADP is  doing a pilot program where the  officers who live in                                                               
the  valley take  their cars  home. "We  have more  marked police                                                               
cars on the road  at all hours of the day and  night that I think                                                               
that a lot of that behavior is being discouraged."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:03:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH added that there are "those great trooper ads."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHIEF  LONG  agreed.  Commissioner Monegan's  public  information                                                               
office deserves  a lot of  credit. Highway Safety is  starting to                                                               
do ad campaigns around the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:03:41 PM to 3:28:27 PM.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^ADRIENNE BACHMAN, Anchorage District Attorney's Office                                                                         
ADRIENNE   BACHMAN,  Attorney,   Anchorage  District   Attorney's                                                               
Office, Department  of Law,  said she  has been  a lawyer  for 27                                                               
years  trying cases  in 13  different towns  and villages  across                                                               
Alaska. Her office has 62 employees  with 33 lawyers and 29 staff                                                               
and paralegals.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH noted that Attorney General Colberg is present.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BACHMAN  said she  heads the largest  office in  the criminal                                                               
division and it  has six units. The  misdemeanor; property crime;                                                               
drug and alcohol;  and sexual assault crimes;  and crimes against                                                               
children units are fully staffed. The violent crime unit is not.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BACHMAN said  her office  doesn't just  answer to  Anchorage                                                               
crimes.  It  covers from  Whittier  to  the Pribilof  Islands  to                                                               
Dillingham.  "We  have a  lot  of  district  crimes that  we  are                                                               
addressing through the work that we do centrally in Anchorage."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  surmised that the  staff flies to St.  Paul Island,                                                               
for example, to handle trials.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BACHMAN said yes. St.  Paul Island was the "grand experiment.                                                               
We  flew 250  miles into  the middle  of the  Bering Sea,  and we                                                               
interviewed every last adult on the  island … and we were able to                                                               
seat a 13-person  jury." Loss of any one jurist  would have meant                                                               
moving  the venue.  The  trial was  held  in the  gym.  It was  a                                                               
notorious  crime so  there  had  to be  a  full  trial. "We  were                                                               
committed  to local  justice." A  similar situation  was in  Sand                                                               
Point. The trial was convened  twice, but an impartial jury could                                                               
not be found. It was transported  to Valdez. So her office is not                                                               
just a municipal prosecutor's office.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:35:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BACHMAN said  the  office gets  about  4,500 felony  reports                                                               
[annually] from  the Anchorage police,  and the vast  majority is                                                               
resolved before  the need for a  grand jury. About 850  cases use                                                               
the  grand jury.  Recently, the  track  record was  taking 37  of                                                               
those grand juries  to trial. "We reversed  that downward trend,"                                                               
and there will be about 120  felony trials in Anchorage. That may                                                               
seem like a  small number, but a felony trial  in Anchorage takes                                                               
a week to three weeks  and is very resource-intensive. She listed                                                               
all the  necessary officers, agencies, and  witnesses. Trials are                                                               
up dramatically.  There is a bit  of a culture change,  she said.                                                               
The  criminal  justice  system is  beginning  to  recognize  that                                                               
police  investigation is  up. Prosecution  capacity  is not.  The                                                               
court system has tried to  expand to accommodate the frontloading                                                               
of the system,  but prosecutors are required to  be available and                                                               
be able to go to trial.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:37:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  said the trends are  up. "We are the  end-user" with                                                               
regard to criminal justice. The  filings are up across the board,                                                               
with  the  exception  of misdemeanors,  which  are  statistically                                                               
stable. Felony  filings are up, and  that may be because  of more                                                               
laws  dealing with  heinous crimes  and  recidivists. The  public                                                               
wants some  crimes taken more  seriously. We want people  to feel                                                               
that  the system  is serving  them  and making  them feel  safer.                                                               
Whether they are safer is another debate.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:40:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BACHMAN said  she  doesn't  speak for  all  of the  criminal                                                               
justice  system, but  she wants  a large  jail "across  the way,"                                                               
rather than in  Arizona, where recidivists can get  a serious and                                                               
meaningful  sentence  and   a  re-entry  program.  Rehabilitative                                                               
treatment programs  are not in vogue  right now. She is  not sure                                                               
why, perhaps because  the success rates are low.  There are fewer                                                               
community-based rehabilitation programs. There  are people in the                                                               
room who represent  those programs, and they  are very interested                                                               
in  the  evidence-based  approach because  their  programs  would                                                               
engage  if  such approaches  were  expanded.  The revolving  door                                                               
spoken  about by  Chief Heun  means  something is  broken in  the                                                               
system.  That presumes  that we  can solve  all crimes,  which we                                                               
can't.  "But  is  there  something  that  we  can  do  about  the                                                               
professional police  officer's frustration  with seeing  the same                                                               
offenders over  and over again?" She  thinks so. It will  rely on                                                               
police  involvement in  the system  and  prosecutors focusing  on                                                               
recidivists. Felony DUI is a  good example of how the legislature                                                               
helped  prosecutors  focus  on recidivists,  she  noted.  In  the                                                               
1980s, she  prosecuted someone for his  11th DUI, and he  got one                                                               
year. Now he would get three  to five years. There are still many                                                               
repeat felony DUI defendants.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:43:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN said it is alarming,  but now communities can be made                                                               
safer  by granting  longer sentences.  In the  governor's omnibus                                                               
crime bill  there is a  proposal to deal with  recidivist assault                                                               
cases  and misdemeanants.  The hammer  over misdemeanants  is one                                                               
year if  they don't create grave  bodily injury or use  a weapon.                                                               
That makes for  a lot of cases of people  who chronically act out                                                               
- because of substance abuse or  mental health issues -- and they                                                               
need  to have  the bigger  hammer  of a  potential felony.  Three                                                               
assaults will become a felony.  There are cases where people have                                                               
accumulated  10 to  20 misdemeanor  assault convictions  and they                                                               
have never spent more than 8 months in jail.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:45:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  how  many people  she  sees who  are                                                               
substance abusers or have mental health issues.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BACHMAN  said the DOL  doesn't keep those statistics,  but it                                                               
does  identify domestic  violence cases.  She has  heard that  80                                                               
percent involve  substance abuse,  and 40 percent  involve mental                                                               
health issues. "I don't have a good sense of that number."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI pointed  out the  philosophical issue,  "Do                                                               
you take  these people and throw  them in jail, and  we know that                                                               
when they  get out  … 66  percent of  them are  going to  get re-                                                               
incarcerated?" Or  should the state  invest in  addressing mental                                                               
health and  substance abuse issues?  He asked if Ms.  Bachman has                                                               
seen success in such programs in lowering recidivism rates.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:47:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  said she has  an opinion. "Front-loading  the system                                                               
for entry-level offenders seems to  have the salutary effect that                                                               
we would all  hope that it has," like going  to at-risk homes for                                                               
at-risk kids. The Anchorage probation  office has a mental health                                                               
unit. "These  are people that try  and try and try  again." It is                                                               
not a "three  strikes" and you're out system,  she explained. "It                                                               
may be the tenth  time to get this offender into  a group home or                                                               
a structured  setting, and they try  and they try." She  said she                                                               
has  seen it  work and  not work.  She will  not make  a sweeping                                                               
statement. "We have a very  small population base," and Mr. Aos's                                                               
statistics are compelling, but she  wondered how many of the data                                                               
are from rural states like Alaska  with its isolation and lack of                                                               
infrastructure. "When  I say I  think we  need a big  jail across                                                               
the way from Anchorage, I'm not  trying to be funny." Places like                                                               
Dillingham  need a  jail too.  "They need  a bridge  back to  the                                                               
community."  Dillingham police  have eight  beds where  offenders                                                               
can stay for  nine days and then the state  troopers need to come                                                               
and get  them. If  Dillingham, Valdez,  or any  hub city  had the                                                               
infrastructure  to  bridge  to reformation-type  services,  there                                                               
would  be  "a place."  It  is  now an  ad  hoc  system driven  by                                                               
personality and  sure-will to  go into a  small community  and do                                                               
the work  that needs  to be done,  because the  structure doesn't                                                               
exist.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:51:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  said jail beds  are scarce  in Alaska. Alaska  has a                                                               
huge number of cases coming  into the district attorney's office,                                                               
and B  and C felonies  (residential break-in,  drug distribution,                                                               
vehicle  thefts, vandalism,  lesser  assaults,  etc), with  their                                                               
revolving-door tendency, are handled within a priority system.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  asked if the  choke-point is a lack  of prosecution                                                               
resources or the number of prison beds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  said she  doesn't call it  a choke-point,  but cases                                                               
must  be prioritized;  everyone is  aware  that hard  beds are  a                                                               
scarce commodity. From a bail  release to lower sentencing, those                                                               
beds are reserved for more  serious offenders, of which there are                                                               
many. The  courts know that,  so it has  adapted, and there  is a                                                               
culture of triaging  cases, which tends to  create the revolving-                                                               
door affect.  The police will  see a property defendant  over and                                                               
over because  the system or  the community elevates  the relative                                                               
importance of a sex offender,  for instance. A recidivist creates                                                               
a lot  of havoc, but the  serious sex offense gets  25 years. She                                                               
said she  agrees with the  priority, "but  we are trying  to work                                                               
with the  limited resources  that are  available, and  that's the                                                               
natural inclination."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said  he is bothered by  knowing that people                                                               
who are  committing 20  or 50 crimes  are getting  sentenced that                                                               
many times. That  is not the way the system  should work. There's                                                               
something dramatically  wrong with that.  He asked if  the answer                                                               
is rehab or "the 20th time, you're done."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:56:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  said there may not  be a solution. Someone  who is a                                                               
petty criminal accumulating multiple crimes ….                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said that includes shop lifting or trespassing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BACHMAN  said it may  also be a  DUI or assault.  The chronic                                                               
assaultive people  "you can and  should do something  about." The                                                               
others who  are criminal  and bothersome  and sometimes  the most                                                               
obvious….  Assaults   aren't  occurring  in   businesses,  unlike                                                               
shoplifting, but  in isolation  in high-risk  communities against                                                               
at-risk  people. "So  you  and I  don't see  that  as much."  The                                                               
solution is  in some of  the recidivist  legislation. Shoplifting                                                               
can be  a felony. The  legislature has spoken, and  the Anchorage                                                               
office is  going to try  to ratchet  up the resolutions  of those                                                               
kinds  of  cases.  Maybe  it   will  create  some  evidence-based                                                               
statistics  to see  if that  works. The  Public Defender  and the                                                               
Office of Public  Advocacy are undoubtedly going  to suggest that                                                               
there's another solution. She thinks  there must be a mix between                                                               
those two  sets of solutions  to protect the  community. However,                                                               
chronic misdemeanants  are likely to  persist given the  level of                                                               
substance abuse  and mental health issues.  From the prosecutor's                                                               
point of view, the use of the  hard bed for the protection of the                                                               
community is going to be more in vogue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:59:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  said a way  to help break the  logjam is to  aid the                                                               
crime lab.  It now has  18,000 square feet  of space, and  it has                                                               
barred the  door. The ability  to solve  well-investigated crimes                                                               
that have  obtained finger prints has  ground to a halt.  The lab                                                               
staff  time  is  saved  for special  assaults  and  murders.  The                                                               
technology is  right there but  beyond the reach  of prosecutors.                                                               
The evidence is  seized, but no one does anything  with it. It is                                                               
something concrete  that can  be given to  juries and  judges for                                                               
these recidivists.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BACHMAN  said  staff  retention  is  an  issue  her  agency.                                                               
Recruiting  is  not a  problem,  but  she  can't keep  them.  The                                                               
starting salaries  are lower  than a  starting police  officer by                                                               
several thousand dollars. In Bethel,  the salary is about $20,000                                                               
below the lowest-paid  state trooper. Bethel has  the most volume                                                               
and complexity  of case loads.  A young  lawyer must go  there to                                                               
brave a hostile environment, and they burn out.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:04:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH asked if a lawyer quit to become a police officer.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BACHMAN  said yes, after 14  months. He made more  salary and                                                               
he wanted to eventually work for  the FBI. He would've stayed for                                                               
two years,  but didn't. Last  week there was  a job fair  for law                                                               
clerks.  The  clerks  are  law-school   graduates  and  they  are                                                               
exceptional.   Her  section   participated  in   the  job   fair,                                                               
describing the  work it  had to  offer. In  working for  a public                                                               
agency  "you quickly  become the  master of  your own  universe."                                                               
Lawyers don't get that in private  practice for many years - they                                                               
stand in someone  else's shadow. But the  starting salary doesn't                                                               
compete.  The  law  clerks  were offered  a  starting  salary  of                                                               
$52,000  for public  service. They  were interested  but hesitant                                                               
because they had up to $150,000 in student loans to pay off.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:08:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. BACHMAN  has four military  reservists in her office.  One is                                                               
going on  his fourth  deployment, and he  will make  $20,000 more                                                               
working for the  military than being a district  attorney. He has                                                               
a family to support and loans to pay off.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BACHMAN said  December had  12 felony  trials, and  two were                                                               
sexual assaults in the first  degree. Young, two-year lawyers ran                                                               
the cases, taking  on that enormous responsibility,  and they are                                                               
still being  paid the  same as lawyers  in the  misdemeanor unit.                                                               
She said she  doesn't have the ability to give  them more because                                                               
of  salary  schedules. The  private  sector  is taking  away  the                                                               
lawyers.  When  she  started,  the  D.A. was  paid  the  same  as                                                               
district court  judges. There  is an  enormous disparity  now. "I                                                               
make  dramatically  less than  a  district  court judge."  It  is                                                               
difficult to retain people, she concluded.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:13:18 PM                                                                                                                    
^QUINLAN STEINER, Director, Alaska Public Defender's Agency,                                                                    
QUINLAN STEINER, Director, Alaska  Public Defender's Agency, said                                                               
the role  of the public  defender is  to review cases  brought by                                                               
the state  and advise and  represent clients. Most time  is spent                                                               
reviewing  cases  and  advising,  and  not  in  court  conducting                                                               
trials.  He said  the criminal  justice system  needs balance  to                                                               
provide fair justice  and equal access and to  provide for public                                                               
safety. The system can get  bogged down. The biggest challenge is                                                               
efficient  distribution   of  discovery   information.  Discovery                                                               
includes  police reports,  investigation,  and taped  interviews.                                                               
Most is done on paper and  then copied and distributed. It is not                                                               
done  electronically, making  it hard  to track.  When it  is not                                                               
timely,  it  reduces the  ability  to  provide the  services  the                                                               
office  was  created to  do.  Clients  can't  be advised  if  the                                                               
information is  not provided.  Everyone is  aware of  this issue,                                                               
and a working group is addressing it.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  asked if that is  a bottleneck that slows  down the                                                               
handling of cases.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER said it is  the biggest bottleneck. All agencies need                                                               
funding  and  technology  to  deal   with  it.  Using  electronic                                                               
discovery  and   data-sharing  would   solve  much  of   it.  New                                                               
legislation   that  increases   penalties  or   creates  criminal                                                               
offenses raises processing times.  There's been a steady increase                                                               
in cases.  Felony filings in  the southcentral region  are higher                                                               
than expected. "They started jumping up  the charts for us at the                                                               
end  of the  last fiscal  year, and  they continue  to be  up." A                                                               
chronic  problem  is attorneys  doing  clerical  work instead  of                                                               
support staff  and paralegals. The  attorneys shouldn't  file the                                                               
discoveries.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:19:05 PM                                                                                                                    
^JOSH FINK, Director, Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                 
JOSH FINK, Director, Office of  Public Advocacy (OPA), said OPA's                                                               
mission is to advocate for  vulnerable Alaskans, including taking                                                               
the public defenders' conflict cases.  A third of the caseload is                                                               
criminal,  a third  is child  advocacy,  and the  other third  is                                                               
adult  guardianship  and  conservatorship. The  criminal  defense                                                               
cases  can be  costly  and labor-intensive.  Staff attorneys  and                                                               
contractors provide services across the state.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:20:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH said OPA has  contract and staff lawyers; the public                                                               
defender agency  doesn't. He asked  how much of the  defense work                                                               
is done by the public defenders and how much is done by OPA.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:20:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FINK  said the caseload  of any lawyer  is the same,  but the                                                               
bulk  of  the  cases  go  to the  public  defenders.  The  public                                                               
defenders have gotten better at  their conflict analysis and they                                                               
are  doing it  upfront  and sooner,  so there  has  been a  spike                                                               
recently in unclassified and class  A felonies coming to OPA. The                                                               
higher level  cases are  more apt to  have conflicts.  The public                                                               
defender will always have the bulk  of those cases, "but it seems                                                               
that we're  getting more and  more, and particularly more  of the                                                               
high  felonies." He  hasn't  broken it  down. He  said  OPA is  a                                                               
downstream agency;  "we don't  pick our  clients." OPA's  work is                                                               
constitutionally mandated,  but the workload can't  be predicted,                                                               
so it creates a resource  allocation problem. He concurs with Mr.                                                               
Steiner about how  the criminal justice system  is addressed. All                                                               
parts must  be adequately  resourced for  a good  justice system.                                                               
Additional  law  enforcement   officers  and  district  attorneys                                                               
require more  of the courts,  corrections, public  defenders, and                                                               
OPA. It will  only move as fast as its  slowest component. If you                                                               
want to put  the bad guys in  jail you will have to  give them an                                                               
attorney to go to trial with.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:23:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FINK said the biggest  systemic issue is the discovery issue,                                                               
as  stated  previously.  Failure   to  provide  full  and  timely                                                               
discovery   results  in   considerable   delays  and   additional                                                               
hearings. It delays justice for  the victims, defendants, and the                                                               
community.  Agencies  are  working  on it.  OPA  is  not  getting                                                               
discovery for six  to twelve months, "and that  really just slows                                                               
everything  to a  grinding halt,  particularly with  more serious                                                               
cases." He wants  to address that within a  year. Recruitment and                                                               
retention of  attorneys is a  problem. He lost four  attorneys to                                                               
the  private sector  last  year;  they left  to  pay off  college                                                               
loans.  He can't  fill  an  Attorney IV  position.  It  is a  new                                                               
phenomenon at OPA and he is worried it will continue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked how much experience the position requires.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK  said at least  five years, "and  they would have  to be                                                               
unclassified  ready; it's  not the  supervisory  lawyer, but  its                                                               
right below it."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER said the starting  salary for that position is around                                                               
$72,000, which  is less than  the starting wage at  small private                                                               
firms for a  recent graduate. "We don't  have trouble recruiting,                                                               
because we have something to  offer that nobody else does: trials                                                               
and independent decision  making." Private law firms  will pay an                                                               
enormous  amount of  money to  get that  kind of  experience. The                                                               
agency loses  them, and "we're not  getting past the mark  from V                                                               
to  VII and  on to  positions of  management and  supervision and                                                               
mentoring that we're hoping to get."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK said  OPA had difficulty providing  qualified counsel in                                                               
rural areas for the high-level felonies,  and this year he set up                                                               
a new  appeals and state-wide  defense section with  two criminal                                                               
defense attorneys  that travel  to rural areas.  That has  been a                                                               
problem that he  thinks OPA is now fixing. Another  issue is with                                                               
conflict analysis being  done early in order to  get cases before                                                               
"the eve of trial." That has vastly improved lately.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:27:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH told him to explain conflict.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FINK  said there  is  conflict,  for  example, if  a  public                                                               
defender  is related  to  the victim,  so the  state  must go  to                                                               
outside counsel.  If two people  are charged with a  burglary and                                                               
they point the finger at each  other, that is a conflict and they                                                               
would  get  OPA.  There  was  a period  of  time  where  conflict                                                               
analysis  was not  getting  done  for some  reason,  and OPA  was                                                               
getting  cases right  before  juries were  to  be picked.  Nobody                                                               
likes that,  and he thinks  they are getting  on top of  that. In                                                               
2005, a new case management system  helped, and it allowed OPA to                                                               
monitor case loads  better and assign cases  more equitably. When                                                               
the public defender uses the same  system, the two can share data                                                               
and  statistics electronically,  which will  speed things  up. He                                                               
hopes to  work with the court  system and law enforcement  to get                                                               
discovery electronically.  It is very powerful  and would provide                                                               
great efficiency.  A conflict protocol  was established  with the                                                               
court system. In the past,  when the public defender discovered a                                                               
conflict, a  motion was filed  and in  some venues it  would hang                                                               
before  a  judge  for  weeks, keeping  clients  hanging  and  the                                                               
prosecution didn't know  who to talk to. Now  the public defender                                                               
contacts him, and it takes one day.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:30:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  FINK said  no one  has  to wait  for  a court  order, so  it                                                               
greatly  reduces  the paperwork  and  the  delay. Defendants  get                                                               
conflict-free  council  early on.  One  result  is a  significant                                                               
increase in cases  to OPA, but it is good  for the system because                                                               
it is best  to discover a conflict early. He  is pleased with the                                                               
working group that is chaired  by the lieutenant governor and the                                                               
chief justice.  He hopes  it is  a forum to  talk with  the other                                                               
side to make  things more efficient. He said he  doesn't have the                                                               
statistics  on  the  nexus between  crime  and  substance  abuse.                                                               
Anecdotally,  a   significant  percent  of  OPA's   clients  have                                                               
substance issues or life skill  dysfunctions, and they often come                                                               
from  broken families.  If addictions,  life  skills, and  mental                                                               
health  issues  are  not  dealt  with  there  will  be  continued                                                               
recidivism. Felons  need life and job  skills to be able  to have                                                               
an alternative  to a life of  crime. OPA does the  child advocacy                                                               
in the  "CINA" [Children  In Need of  Aid] cases,  and tragically                                                               
the  kids "age  out"  of  the system  and  go  into the  criminal                                                               
system. "We have to do better."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  noted that Dr.  Aos said 72 percent  of all                                                               
adults  [in the  criminal justice  system] were  in the  juvenile                                                               
system in Washington, and asked if that is the same in Alaska.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK  said yes, and the  success stories seem rare.  A person                                                               
can get excited to  help a kid and prevent him  or her from going                                                               
into the adult system, but it doesn't happen often.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  said his  office has a  significant number  of cases                                                               
that start  in the juvenile  justice system, and this  presents a                                                               
particular problem  in rural Alaska.  The lack of  services there                                                               
results in people being released in Anchorage.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:34:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH noted they become part of the Anchorage system.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER said  yes, because they don't have  a support network                                                               
in Anchorage when they've spent their lives elsewhere.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked for advice  on how to  intervene when                                                               
they are juveniles.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:34:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. STEINER  stressed dealing with underlying  issues "before you                                                               
move somebody  on to  the next  phase." They  should be  given an                                                               
opportunity to  deal with  the issues  that are  underlying their                                                               
conduct.  "Without that,  you're just  relying on  conduct …  and                                                               
you're destined to have the cycle repeat itself."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK said the presentation by  Mr. Aos was impressive, and he                                                               
would like to  do it in Alaska. It sounds  like there are certain                                                               
categories where  increased incarceration  works, but  there must                                                               
be lots  of types  of crimes where  treatment programs  work. But                                                               
those programs aren't in vogue now  and many have been gutted. He                                                               
said to look  at a package. It is appropriate  to ratchet up jail                                                               
time for some crimes, but it needs to come with a package.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:36:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH  said the legislature  likes tough  sentencing laws,                                                               
and he  has supported many of  them, but one consequence  is more                                                               
trials because of less pleading. He asked about that.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  said it is  hard to track  how a trial  rate changes                                                               
with a new law, but anecdotally,  when penalties go up, the trial                                                               
rate  goes up.  The  costs  go up  because  the preparation  time                                                               
increases.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  suggested that everyone  may get accustomed  to the                                                               
length of the  sentences, and the trial length  will decline when                                                               
it  becomes more  predictable. Is  it too  soon to  tell for  the                                                               
sexual assault laws?                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  said it is worth  studying, but it hasn't  been long                                                               
since those laws have been passed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:38:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FINK  said alternative programs like  the Anchorage municipal                                                               
wellness alcohol  court has had  171 participants, and  five have                                                               
been  charged  with an  alcohol-related  offense  since. That  is                                                               
really  heartening. That  is a  good  example of  getting at  the                                                               
underlying problem. The legislature should look at that.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT asked about starting salary rates.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK said an entry-level lawyer gets about $55,000.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^TOM BEGICH, Project Director, Reclaiming Futures                                                                               
TOM  BEGICH,  Project Director,  Reclaiming  Futures,  said he  a                                                               
facilitator of the Community Plan  for Delinquency Prevention and                                                               
Substance Use  through the United  Way in Anchorage. He  was also                                                               
the  facilitator  of  the Tri-Borough  Anti-Gang  Youth  Violence                                                               
Policy Team. He clarified that  the above-mentioned statistic was                                                               
for  traffic-related alcohol  cases. They  did not  recidivate in                                                               
that category, but it's still a very impressive statistic.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BEGICH said  he  is  not a  municipal  employee,  but he  is                                                               
speaking for the policy team. He  has worked 21 years in juvenile                                                               
justice,  and he  listed his  work.  The policy  team deals  with                                                               
three boroughs,  but each borough  has to deal with  its criminal                                                               
activities  on a  community perspective.  The policy  team is  an                                                               
outgrowth  of the  mayor's task  force on  crime. It  encompasses                                                               
three  boroughs because  when  Anchorage is  tough  on crime  the                                                               
crime moves to other places. "It's about being smart on crime."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:44:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BEGICH  said Mr. Aos  focused on the importance  of evidence-                                                               
based  practices, and  "that really  was part  of the  underlying                                                               
driving  factor in  a  lot of  the  work the  policy  team did  …                                                               
becoming more  smart about  how we deal  with public  and private                                                               
resources."   The  team   split   into  subgroups:   suppression,                                                               
intervention, and  prevention. They  found that  the best  way to                                                               
address  gang violence  is  to turn  the spigot  off  as soon  as                                                               
possible.  So  the  policy team  includes  the  school  district,                                                               
police  department,  FBI,  prosecutor's office,  city,  community                                                               
volunteers, tribal council, Native  corporations, United Way, Big                                                               
Brothers Big Sisters,  and others. The team  identified key areas                                                               
in  each category,  and  within  each of  those  areas, the  team                                                               
developed  clear objectives.  Participants  spent a  lot of  time                                                               
researching  evidence-based practices,  which are  practices that                                                               
have been shown to have an impact.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:47:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BEGICH said performance measures  need a long period of time,                                                               
so the  team looked around  the country  to see what  has worked,                                                               
and  then  constructed its  programming  around  that. "We  spent                                                               
months doing this  research work." Out of that,  the team crafted                                                               
many objectives and steps to  achieve them. There were five other                                                               
groups  doing the  same  work. He  listed them,  and  he said  he                                                               
facilitated  all  of  those,  convened  them,  and  included  the                                                               
public.  "We  built  a  community   plan  that  was  designed  to                                                               
substance use  and delinquency  prevention." Everyone  split into                                                               
small groups with the defined  objectives. Each group set up what                                                               
will  happen  in   each  of  the  future  five   years  and  they                                                               
established ways to measure it.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:49:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BEGICH  said the  private  sector  and nonprofits  wanted  a                                                               
business  plan to  address crime  and delinquency,  so they  were                                                               
creating one.  When people donate money  they will know if  it is                                                               
working. Donors were also included.  "We set criteria. You had to                                                               
show  you were  collaborating and  sharing resources."  The group                                                               
does an update  every two months. He  referenced information that                                                               
he provided to  the committee. Two key ways to  keep the juvenile                                                               
justice system  effective are meaningful opportunities  for youth                                                               
and supportive  adult relationships. This system  is so effective                                                               
it  may be  reaching  the point  of  diminishing returns.  Alaska                                                               
probably has  fewer juveniles moving  into the adult  system than                                                               
Washington.  All   youth  are  screened  for   mental  health  or                                                               
substance  abuse to  give them  appropriate  referrals. Kids  who                                                               
have  gone through  it are  nine  times more  likely to  complete                                                               
treatment.  If they  complete treatment,  the likelihood  of them                                                               
reoffending or reusing goes down dramatically.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:53:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BEGICH said  there  are three  areas  including truancy  and                                                               
suspended and expelled  youth. About 90-100 youth  per year don't                                                               
use the expelled youth programming  or go to McLaughlin, and they                                                               
become the  most at-risk  people. He  spoke of  alternatives like                                                               
vocational  education,  employment,  or completing  high  school.                                                               
Nearly every youth suspended for 10  days or more does not return                                                               
to graduate.  So the  suspension programs in  the school  have an                                                               
impact on  crime in  the community.  If they  are not  in school,                                                               
where are they? To add 24  more slots for kids who aren't violent                                                               
enough to  be at  McLaughlin and  don't qualify  for continuation                                                               
schools because  of the nature  of their suspension  or expulsion                                                               
will cost  very little.  There is a  separate truancy  group, and                                                               
that group is  conducting focus groups and finding  that kids are                                                               
not in school  because of lack of engagement.  The parents excuse                                                               
them, so that gives people an area to focus on.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:56:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BEGICH  said, in  regard to mentoring,  "we have  now brought                                                               
together every agency  in town that uses  mentors," including Big                                                               
Brothers Big Sisters, Volunteers  of America, faith-based groups,                                                               
and others. The  goal is for 1,000 new mentors,  and it is driven                                                               
by the  mentoring alliance and  a direct outcome of  this group's                                                               
activities. One  strategy is to  work together and  use resources                                                               
more efficiency. His most exciting  topic is the development of a                                                               
community justice court. It is built  on the model from Red Hook,                                                               
New York.  It will  have an off-site  court structure.  The group                                                               
wants  to address  the gaps  of the  therapeutic courts.  It will                                                               
provide court services like juvenile diversion.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked how it coordinated with youth court.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEGICH said the youth  court deals with first-time offenders,                                                               
in  general. Youth  courts tend  not to  deal with  minor alcohol                                                               
consuming. Drug testing  could be done on site. He  would like to                                                               
house the suspension school there. There  is a deep interest in a                                                               
family  assessment  center,  including  parenting  resources  for                                                               
parents most in  need. "We're talking about  outreach with family                                                               
navigators at this  site … using existing resources  for the most                                                               
part."  They  will work  in  the  ethnic communities  to  provide                                                               
knowledge of  what is available and  "to take away the  stigma of                                                               
coming  to a  government  office." "We're  talking about  dealing                                                               
with  medical  services  and referrals  -  having  substance  use                                                               
counseling on  site." Volunteers of  America will put  one person                                                               
on site.  If a kid  is screened and  found to need  substance use                                                               
resources, "we  just send  them down  the hall."  Currently these                                                               
kids are lost  between the Juvenile Justice  Division and getting                                                               
them in treatment "across town." The  new Clark Junior High has a                                                               
clinic as  part of  it, "so  we would be  able to  actually refer                                                               
people  down  the road  to  the  clinic  for dental  and  medical                                                               
services."  There  are  commitments   from  agencies  to  provide                                                               
services including  those for mental health,  education, housing,                                                               
community work, childcare, and vocation rehabilitation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:02:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BEGICH said  his group  meets regularly  and he  suspects it                                                               
will  come  to  fruition  in  a year.  He  listed  the  following                                                               
recommendations to the committee: 1.  Review the recent report on                                                               
under-age  drinking,  which  has an  emphasis  on  evidence-based                                                               
programming  for  treatment, and  use  it  to defend  legislative                                                               
decisions.  2. Last  year there  were cuts  in alcohol  treatment                                                               
funds,  so  restore  them,  and   demand  that  the  programs  be                                                               
evidence-based.  It  is going  to  cost  money.  3. Look  at  his                                                               
proposals  and  see that  resources  are  being shared  and  cost                                                               
effective.  4. Participate  in  the process  back  home. 5.  Look                                                               
positively  at effective  prevention programming,  and know  that                                                               
school focus  is vital.  Schools should  be centers  of community                                                               
and  for  parent contact.  What  the  legislature does  with  the                                                               
education budget makes  a big difference. 6.  Support the efforts                                                               
of  the  Division  of Juvenile  Justice  in  its  community-based                                                               
programming and the  partners it has represented in  terms of the                                                               
probation  services.   They  are  vital  to   everything  he  has                                                               
described today.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:04:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH recessed the committee until 8:30 tomorrow.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

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